Futures of Learning: AI in Education with Punya Mishra
Modem Futura Podcast
Episode 33, May 20, 2025
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In this lively round-table, hosts Sean Leahy and Andrew Maynard sit down with renowned educational-technology scholar Dr. Punya Mishra to untangle the hype and hope around AI in education. Together they probe why “personalized learning” promises often miss the messy, human heart of learning; explore Sean and Punya’s shared devotion to John Dewey’s natural impulses for learning—inquiry, communication, construction, expression—as a practical compass for designing AI-infused classrooms; and wrestle with the double-edged sword of chatbots that can both super-charge creativity and erode critical friction. The trio dig into cheating, caring, the myth of control, universal basic income, and what happens when large language models become persuasive co-teachers. Along the way you’ll get a glimpse into the master class of Punya’s graduate seminar, in which he turned students loose to build, explore, and challenge creative AI tools and bots, why radical transparency beats one-size-fits-all rules, and how universities can act as society’s “flywheel” to slow runaway tech. If you’ve ever wondered whether ChatGPT is the new Einstein in your pocket—or just another shiny distraction—this episode delivers nuance, laughs and fresh framing.
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